Luke 13. Demon stuff.

Posted: November 9, 2011 in Luke

In this chapter we find a woman who had been unable to stand up straight for 18 years. After Jesus heals her, he then says “ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond…”

Jesus refers to her ailment as an act of Satan, and we saw earlier in Luke that many of the sick healed by Jesus were in actuality exorcised. So I’m curious…do the agents of Satan currently work among us, causing seemingly medical conditions within those they afflict? If so, I wonder how many disorders are incurable because they are of a spiritual nature, rather than simply physical.

  1. doug says:

    This is a response to a comment that you posted over at 5ptsalt and you can delete it after reading it over since it is not pertinent to your posting here. Before your comment, I had posted an excerpt, which you will see below, of an interview between Phil Johnson and Macarthur which demonstrated Macarthur’s view on God’s sovereignty. This quote directly addresses the point you were making. For some reason, however, Joel has chosen to not to allow my post to be seen (at least he hasn’t yet). So you posted your reply and I, not realizing that my posts were still not visible, responded to you, asking if you had read the interview I had just posted. Well, obviously you hadn’t. I am not a Macarthur apologist and very rarely read his stuff, but I am simply in favor of being fair to everyone before jumping to conclusions. In the interview so you can see Macarthur’s view on this subject- in particular his comment at the end where he says “there are no ‘oops how did that happen?'” with God. Below was response that I posted. Maybe it would be worth asking Joel why he isn’t letting anyone see it?

    If he is, indeed, saying that Christ has no rule in this earth outside of that which he accomplishes within the heart’s of believers, then I would agree that he is way off here. I am with you in affirming that Christ’s sovereign rule extends even to the words I am typing right now. I just did not see that as being the point that Macarthur was trying to make based upon the above quote. So I did a quick 2 second search and came up with this exchange between Phil Johnson and Macarthur over this subject.

    Phil asks him about the sovereignty of God and this is what follows (you may wish John’s language is a bit more nuanced, but it certainly is not a refutation of God’s sovereignty that you seem to have taken the above quotation to be).

    PHIL: Now, is this one of those issues that’s clear in Scripture or somewhat mysterious? How much stress would you say Scripture puts on this doctrine?

    JOHN: I think it is everywhere in Scripture. It is inescapable, everywhere in Scripture God is designated clearly and revealed to be sovereign. I don’t think it’s a question of revelation, I think it’s a question of comprehension. The Bible is crystal-clear that God is the ruler, that God rules, that God does what He will, that no one can thwart His purpose, no one can stop His hand, that all things work together for good, that He is orchestrating all of human history and everything in it. Scripture says that.
    Like other things, we can know that that’s what the Bible says but not fully comprehend how that works out, or why things are the way they are, if that is in fact true. But as to the truthfulness of it, it is crystal-clear in Scripture. There’s no equivocating on that.

    PHIL: So, people always say then, “But that’s fatalism.” How is that different from fatalism?

    JOHN: Well, because God has an intention within His actions that is not purely arbitrary and it is not left to chance. Fatalism would be the assumption that things are going to be whatever they’re going to be, just because they’re going to be that way. There’s no superintending power, there’s no overriding plan, there’s no person who is purposefully doing all of these things, or allowing these things, fitting them together for a pre-determined plan. Fatalism just looks at the universe as random acts, going whatever way they go by chance. That’s very different than the sovereignty of God because God is purposefully taking all contingencies, all actions, all events and working them together to a pre-determined end. Nothing is by chance. Nothing is happenstance. Nothing is a surprise to Him. Nothing is outside His box, there are no, “Oops, how did that happen?” to God. It is all within the framework of His plan. It needs to be said at that point that doesn’t mean that God motivates everything that happens, He doesn’t…doesn’t motivate evil, He doesn’t cause evil, He doesn’t do evil. What it does say is, however, evil does not change the plan. Evil does not deter God. Evil does not cause God to have to alter His purpose. He takes all that happens and fits it into the plan and the plan is already determined.

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